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Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - Dave J - 05-09-2012

Hi,
I haven't posted for a while so I thought I would put this one up.
I did this mod a few years back and thought that some of you may have had the idea of putting a bigger chuck on you lathe.

There have been a few jobs on my lathe were I have needed a larger chuck than the 200mm one that came with it. It has mainly been odd shapes or needing the centre hole to be larger.

So to compromise when I bought my 250mm rotary table I bought a 250mm 4 jaw chuck for it, and thought it could get some use on the lathe as well.
I looked around for a back plate but the largest I could find was 200mm in the D1-4 cam lock mount. All the 250mm ones are D1-6 mount.

I have 2 face plates because I picked up a spare a while back off ebay. I measured the 2 and found one to be spot on in diameter. The holes for the chuck bolts would just make it with having enough meat to tap to get the threads in.

A chuck needs a register to keep it centered and a face plate doesn't have enough thickness to machine one. So I come up with the idea to press fit a bush with a collar machined on it into the bore then machine the outside to suit.
In my scrap box I had a piece of round bar 108mm dia with a 51mm hole drilled through it left over from a job. It was just the right size as I needed 100mm outer and a minimum of 52 inner, to leave a 3mm + wall thickness on the bush that goes into the 58.5mm centre hole of the face plate.

I started out with boring the hole in the centre of the face plate to make sure it ran true, the face was ok because I had cleaned it up when I got it.

I then mounted the chunk of bar in the 3 jaw and machined back far enough for the bush to be able to go inside the bore of the face plate and machined the outside a little over the needed 100mm. I just took enough out of the centre to clean it up because I wanted as much wall thickness as possible so it wouldn't collapse.
The bush was machined to 0.05mm over size for a press fit into the face plate. I then cut it off in the band saw, then remounted it in the lathe back wards and cleaned up the other side.

After this was done the face plate went into the oven and the bush/register went into a plastic bag in the freezer for about 30 minutes. Once the face plate was a little bit hotter than could be handled I cleaned the bush with a rag in case of moisture, smeared on a little oil on to stop any rust in the future then pressed them together, they went together easy without needing much pressure.

I then mounted the face plate back on the lathe turned the register down to 100mm for a light press fit into the chuck and faced the front to clean it up and ruining true.

I used the DRO on the mill to drill the holes after setting it up square to make sure the holes came through in the right spots and taped them M12 to suit. The holes are deep enough that I got 8 threads into the face plate which is plenty. They just broke through on the back for the last 2 threads because of the back plate webbing design, as can be seen in the photo. This is what I was talking about earlier with the face plate having enough meat to tap into for the bolt holes.

After mounting the chuck I checked for clearance between the chuck jaws and the lathe ways, with the jaws at there recommended maximum (which is nearly half way out) it has 14mm clearance.

With a chuck this size you need to keep the speed down to a 1000rpm or under as it's big for this size lathe. I read somewhere on the packaging that the top speed for this chuck is 1200rpm but can't find it again.
I ran this one to check for balance at 1000rpm and it was a bit scary. I will only be using it low speed for those awkward and larger jobs.

Since fitting it I have used it many times and have had no problems at all.

Dave


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - EdK - 05-09-2012

Dave,

That's a monster chuck. It looks like you really have to be careful how far the jaws extend past the chuck to avoid hitting the lathe ways. I can see that size chuck being very useful for some jobs.

Ed


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - Dave J - 05-09-2012

Thanks Ed,
For safety you should really only have the jaws out half way and thats where they are in the picture, so it has been fine for clearance.

The large bore has been the most handy.

Dave


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - EdK - 05-09-2012

Hi Dave,

I'm curious about your QCTP. What type is it? I don't think I've every seen one like that before.

Ed


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - DaveH - 05-09-2012

Dave,

That will come in real handy. Smiley-signs107

I have to say I am always a little wary of 'press' fitting into cast iron. I think heating one component and cooling (freezing) the other is a much better way to do it. Thumbsup

Nicely posted and well photographed.
Smiley-eatdrink004
DaveH


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - ETC57 - 05-09-2012

Nice work Dave,

You mentioned the bore, you mean the chuck bore right? allowing you to throat larger stock.

Jerry.Popcorn


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - Dave J - 05-09-2012

(05-09-2012, 06:25 AM)EdAK Wrote: Hi Dave,

I'm curious about your QCTP. What type is it? I don't think I've every seen one like that before.

Ed

Hi Ed,
The tool post is a Dickson style (Taiwanese copy) that they sell over here. They are not cheap at $500, but I bought it years ago before knowing about internet and the US bargains. Tool holders are $76 each to buy, so I have just finished making 46 of the little buggers. I am so glad that repetitious job is over. I just have the height adjusters to make on the lathe and wait for the grub screws to come from the UK and I will post them up.

It was either sell this one (at half the price if I could get that), and then buy a wedge from the US with extra holders, which means I would be out of pocket a lot, or make them up myself.
With the 46 thats what I got out of a 32mm thick plate I had here, so I thought I may as well only do this once so made the 46 with 10 blanks among them for specialty tool holders. I already have 6 so thats 52 and will see me out.

This is a link to mine
https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/L295

And this is the original UK Dickson tool post.
My one is equal to the S 1.X
http://www.lathes.co.uk/latheparts/page13.html

I think Bison might have taken them over now
http://rotagriponline.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=589&Itemid=29

I have no complaints with the tool post itself as it's hardened with nicely ground finish and is rigid, it's just the price of the holders. It repeats spot on, as the 4 V's all seat the same when installing a new holder.

Dave


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - Dave J - 05-09-2012

Thanks guys,
Jerry your right about the bore, the chuck has around 60mm bore from memory. It lets you get jobs in where I couldn't before.

Dave


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - EdK - 05-09-2012

That QCTP is a very interesting design. I can see why the tool holders are expensive though.

Ed


RE: Fitting a 10inch (250mm) chuck on a face plate, 12x36 lathe - Dave J - 05-09-2012

Hi Ed,
I am glad you can see why,LOL
They only need a T slot cutter and a end mill to make, the dovetail ones need the expensive dovetail cutter.

Dave